last-minute save, biden signs a bill keeping the government open after the senate passes a spending package in the morning. over in the house, chaos reigns

as congresswoman marjorie green promises to oust the speaker for trying to keep the lights on. joe joins me to discuss whether democrats will help johnson keep his job. payment due, two days before he has to pay a $450 million bond, trump says he has the money even though his lawyers say he does not. we take a closer look at what could happen if he does not pay up. are you better off today than you were four years ago? the biden campaign answers the question. >> on a scale of 1-10, how would you rate your response to this crisis? >> a 10. >> this is a saturday show. urd

we begin with the latest episode of capital chaos and lawmakers narrowly avoiding a government shutdown again and once again it took the democrats to get this done. that is the six time this fire drill has played out in six months. overnight the senate passed a 1 $.2 trillion package to find federal agencies to the end of september. hours earlier the house passed the measure with more than half of the caucus voting against it. president biden signing the bill into law this afternoon but republicans are not happy or relieved to have finally done their jobs. they are angry and now less than six months into his tenure

there is a move to punish mike johnson for his role in keeping the government running. congresswoman marjorie taylor green the congresswoman from georgia filed a motion to remove johnson from the job the put him second in line to the presidency. if greens motion reaches the floor democrats could be the deciding factor, either lend votes to save johnson after extracting a price for support or standby and roast marshmallows over another dumpster fire of dysfunction as they fight for the gavel. >> it is more of a warning any slip. i respect my conference, i pay my dues, i am a member in good standing and i do not wish to inflict pain on the conference and throw the house in chaos. >> how are you going to throw

something into chaos that has been in chaos since the republican majority took power last year. a majority that is more fancy with the departure of congressman ken yesterday and mike gallagher next month. both are leaving congress before the end of their terms and once they are both gone speaker johnson's majority will be a one seat majority. joining me now, congressman joe of colorado, the newly elected democratic house leader. thank you for being on the show. president biden released a statement today saying congress's work is not done. calling for border security supplemental. what more needs to be done and can it get done given the state of the republican majority? >> i agree with the president, there is more work to be done but contextually, something that is important to remember and you stated this, how we got

here. it is remarkable that six times in six months you have had the government shutdown showdowns averted only because of the masterful leadership of peter jeffries in the house, biden and congressional democrats saving the day putting people over politics and working to keep the government running. the fact that we have ultimately been responsible for getting the bills across the finish line notwithstanding, the republicans have the majority in the house of representatives but a dwindling one as you said. with regard to the particular question you posed, there is a bipartisan bill that you know that passed out of the senate, it passed with 70 out of the u.s. senate on a bipartisan basis and we all know if the bill was put on the floor it would pass by a overwhelming margin, it is a binary choice faced by johnson about whether

or not he capitulates to the far right war ultimately puts the bill on the floor, he has yet to do the latter and i hope he will when we return from the work period that commenced yesterday. >> i am sorry congressman i was raking on something for your answering a little bit, the bill that was passed with 70, was that the border security or the ukraine funding? >> it is the latter, the border funding bill as you know, never reached the floor of the u.s. senate because republicans abandon their own portals they negotiated. they wanted to make this a campaign issue and have no interest in solving the problem so that bill did not a boat. >> before he left congress on friday, converse man can buck became the first republican to sign the discharge petition for aid to ukraine, israel and taiwan, is that the only way

that kind of bill will be passed by the house? >> i had a number of conversations with my colleague, a friend and a congressional neighbor of mine. we disagree on a lot but i found him to be a good-faith partner on a number of issues so i wish him well in his next chapter. i was grateful that he made the decision to sign the discharge petition because his belief we need to not abandon our allies in ukraine. again however i would say as so many others have said on both sides of the aisle including mitch mcconnell, the path forward in my view is the speaker putting the bill on the floor for a vote. while i am hopeful that other publicans will follow the lead of former congressman ken buck, it should not take a discharge petition to get a up or down vote on supporting our allies in our own national security interests.

>> let's talk about marjorie taylor greens vote to vacate. it could not come at a worse time with gallagher's departure next month. the majority slips to one seat which means all eyes are turning to democrats and whether you will save johnson, i have done my own informal survey and more than a few said no but listen to what congressman tom had to say. >> the bottom line is the american people want us to do our jobs. they are sick of the games and the extremists and i do not support speaker johnson on things but the idea of shutting down the government and spend our time on our speaker fight is absurd. >> what would you want in exchange for your vote to keep johnson as speaker? >> i would simply say i do not know the motion that representative green induced is legislatively right per se, that is yet to be determined. so we will see as to whether or

not the motion to vacate ultimately be comes before the house. it is premature for me to pine as to what we might do work house democrats will do in that scenario, that is a decision made by our leader, jeffries who has done a masterful job negotiating a series of legislative packages in the last several weeks by way of example to keep the government open and running. of course we will have a number of conversations with the colleagues in the democratic caucus. i was a more broadly that speaker johnson has decisions to make with respect to bipartisan pieces of legislation he can put on the floor as soon as we returned and i suspect the decision to do so will have a impact on the impressions of many folks on my side of the aisle and across the country. at the end of the day it is a question best post to speaker johnson and his colleagues. i will also add the am not

surprised the house republicans are jumping ship. when chaos and dysfunction are your central currency as a governing majority, it should not be surprising that republican members would decide that they do not want to stay any longer. >> it is incredible, it is one thing to say i will not run for reelection it is another to say i am out. see you. i am leaving now. assistant democratic leader congressman joe, thank you for coming to the saturday show. coming up, desperate for dollars, trump has 48 hours to pay his 454 million dollar bond in the civil fraud case. why trump says he is good for the money and what the attorney general is ready to do if he is not. later, the biden campaign marks the 14th anniversary of the affordable care act and reminds voters that trump is

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to pay up. in less than 48 hours the queens born builder found liable in new york state will have to post a $454 million bond. if the self proclaimed billionaire cannot find the money by monday, the attorney general can start seizing his assets while he appeals the ruling. now trump claims he has 500 million available which directly contradicts his own lawyers who earlier this week told the court it would be impossible for trump to even secure a bond. then there is the countdown to trump's first criminal trial. the judge is expected to set a start date on monday. the manhattan district attorney is setting the start date no later than tax day.

joining me is a former assistant district attorney in the manhattan office. i have a basic question, can trump declare quincy to get out of paying some or all of the bond? >> he can, what rudy did for the defamation judgment in dc against him. legally and practically it is a smart thing to do. that does not mean he gets out of it the bankruptcy judge will decide it but politically he made the decision not to do it because it is bad for his brand but that can be a option that he will not take a advantage of. >> what consequences could trump face if he is lying about his assets and ability to cover the judgment? he has to sign some legal papers or he has some sort of monitor watching all of this?

>> he just said he has 500 million in cash so that he is telling the appellate court, you do not have to stay enforcement of the judgment or reduce the bond because i have 500 million, there is a reason why his lawyers contradicted it. so on monday if he does not cover the bond, the cash and if the appellate court does not state the enforcement, the attorney general of new york will start the legal process of attaching liens to his properties. attorney general james already filed the judgment in westchester county on two properties, the golf resort, that was done because clearly the attorney general plans to put liens on that property in

westchester is a northern suburb of new york city and there is a lot of properties in manhattan. trump buildings, the attorney general can put liens against that. any bank accounts with liquid assets, they will seek to seize those accounts. so the ball will start rolling. it will not happen overnight. it will be a fair and legal process. >> you said the attorney general filed a judgment in westchester on a couple of properties. is that the first necessary step to get the docs in the row so come monday if he does not come up with the $454 million bond that she has a easier time of exercising the power she has? >> exactly. when you're trying to seize property you have to to file or register the judgment in the county where the property is.

she does not have to do it in manhattan, that was done when the judgment was entered. wendy agee did it last week she started the ball rolling. >> let's turn to alvin's hush money interference case, the trial was supposed to start monday. there is a hearing scheduled instead, what is it about and when might we see the trial begin? >> it is limited to who is at fault if anyone, is there any prejudice and will there be sanctions? i can tell you the end of the story, no witnesses will be precluded, why because the defense cannot show the any prejudices happened. the trial has not started yet, they have the documents. the remedy is what the judge did, the late disclosure, they have to be given a reasonable time to review and prepare the new material.

the judge will give 30 days and he may give longer after the hearing. the manhattan das office says all you need is 30 but that is up to the judge. no dismissal of indictment and no witnesses because there is no prejudice. >> we will all have our eyes peeled on new york state monday to see what happens and who does what to whom. thank you as always for coming to the saturday show. the big divider, how trump's rhetoric pits marginalize groups against each other and the attack that sparked fresh outrage this week. >> any jewish person that votes for democrats hates their religion, they hate everything about israel and they should be ashamed of themselves.

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to denounce remarks made by donald trump this week. during a podcast interview, the twice impeached former president had this to say about jewish americans that vote for democrats. >> when you see the palestinian marches, i am amazed at how many people are in the marches and guys like schumer see that into him it is votes. he was always pro israel and he is very anti-israel now. any jewish person that votes for democrats hates their religion, they hate everything about israel and they should be ashamed of themselves. >> this is nothing new, back in september trump accused liberal juice that do not support him of destroying america and israel. trump made a similar attack at a rally in ohio last week on

catholics that support president biden who is a practicing catholic and goes to church every sunday. >> what is happening with the catholics? any catholic that votes for this numbskull is crazy. you are being persecuted. >> beyond targeting groups with racist and xenophobic rhetoric he is also using the language to pick groups against each other. case in point trumps comments at that same really where he attempted to flame divisions between hispanic and african americans. >> nobody has been hurt by the biden and menstruation more than the african-american and hispanic communities. they are taking more jobs and creating problems. >> are these kinds of appeals

working for him? joining me is the author of how civil wars start and how to stop them. carol anderson, the professor of african american studies and author of white rage, the unspoken truth of the racial divide. thank you both very much for coming to the saturday show. we just heard the clip of trump telling black and hispanic voters that migrants are to be blamed for their problems. i want both of you to talk about this but carol, you start. talk about how this us versus them strategy is vital for a would be autocrat like trump. >> it is standard divide and conquer, how do i get people pitted against each other and make them point their fingers

at each other and say you are the source of my agony, my pain, why i am unemployed. you are the source of why i have to live paycheck to paycheck instead of looking at the larger system and see what the system is doing in terms of folks like trump who passed these trillion dollar tax relief plans for billionaires and then the tract on the needs and rights of working-class folks. divide and conquer is a strategy where people point their finger at each other and it is designed to break apart pieces of the democratic coalition. when he says it is about votes it is about his votes. >> all trump cares about right now is getting elected in november. that is his main objective and he knows it will be close and he knows in order to guarantee success he needs to peel off

voters from the democratic party. what we are seeing from the polls is that there are some african-american voters, latino voters, maybe some jewish voters who are becoming more sympathetic to trumps more socially conservative and pro- israel message and i think he is doubling down on that. i wanted to say something else about jewish voters, what he said this week was not directed at them. they represent a very small percentage of the american electorate. they vote heavily in favor of democrats and they tend to live in heavy blue states, they will not sway the election for him. when he said this week was directed at his face. his evangelical christian base who he also needs to bring out to vote in november and that base is both very pro-israel for

reasons related to the christian religion and what they believe will be the second coming of christ but there are real strains of anti-semitism in the basin what he said this week basically said you cannot be jewish and you cannot be pro- israel if you do not vote for me. that is both anti-somatic and very much signals to his base that he is all in on israel and that is a win-win for him. >> let's talk about his knock on catholics for supporting biden and his use of the word persecuted. why does that word hold such power for a authoritarian? >> if you feel persecuted, threatened and insecure and you are living in fear, you want

somebody to protect you and you want a strong man or woman in power who you believe can do that for you. democracies are kind of messy and there is uncertainty involved with democracy, what policies they will follow and who will rule, the part of the authoritarian playbook is to create an environment of threat and fear of perceived persecution and convince them the only person that can protect them is you. >> trump said on fox recently that he uses incendiary language to get people thinking about important issues. is that a legitimate excuse? >> no he uses that language because he has consistently trolled in racist ideology. so when you think about the

january 6 insurrection, what he did is said they stalled the election in atlanta, in philadelphia, detroit, milwaukee, so he is pointing to places that have sizable black populations and basically saying these black people stole a hard- working democracy from you. honest hard-working white folk. when you look at the insurrection and you see the confederate flag being flown in the middle of the capital building it begins to tell you about what he is doing in terms of using that language, lighting the fire, getting his folks riled up because at the same speech in dayton he talked about the bloodbath and that is the kind of triggering language. in that speech you also have pieces about catholics, juice, migrants and they are not

really human. it is all part of a larger piece of demonizing folk. >> we have less than 90 seconds but what do you say to people who are not taking what trump is saying seriously or even aware of the risks of a second trump term? >> i would say to them that this election will be the most consequential election in the history of the u.s. i will state it that strongly. trump has told us what he wants to do, one of the things he said is if he gets into power he will not leave power again. i can see us having a trump presidency for 20 years. he has told us that he will clean out the justice department and install people that are lawyer to him. he will take a series of actions that will concentrate power in his own hands and then

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president biden's reelection campaign is winning the fundraising contest by a lot. on wednesday the campaign reported it took him 21 million in donations during february. 71 millions on hand at the beginning of this month. more than double the 33 million trumps campaign has. i'll a portion of the money is expected to be spent on legal bills, biden is funneling campaign funds towards blistering attack ads like this one, on the question of whether you are better off now than four years ago. >> i see that disinfected and

is there a way we can do something like that, like injection. >> how would you rate your response to the crisis? >> 810, we have done a great job. >> what do you say to americans that are scared? >> i say you are a terrible reporter. >> is what it is. >> joining me now is jennifer, a opinion writer of the washington post and author of resistance. and christina, a fellow at city college of new york and author of the book black ethics, and the pursuit of the american dream. thank you both for being here today. i want both of your thoughts on the advertisement we just played.

you have a column about this in the paper tomorrow. is the biden campaign on the right track here? >> it is a clever trap they have set for him and they will use it to their best advantage. four years ago you and i were huddled in our own homes on lockdown. four years ago the economy was contracting wildly. four years ago the murder rate was higher. four years ago donald trump said he had a plan to substitute for obama care. by any measure you look at, whether it is his effort to destroy the affordable care act and take away insurance from 32 million war you look at his approach to crime which was disastrous, crime rates were

going in the wrong direction. will you look at the economy, lost jobs and recession. there is no way the average person if they are reminded of where they were would choose to go backwards. donald trump is better because four years ago he had not yet been indicted. >> it is 88 counts not 91 anymore. i would love to get your thoughts and four years ago new yorkers, i cannot remember what hour it was, 6:00 or 7:00, they were leaning out their windows applauding the first responders who were doing god's work in trying to protect people from the virus but also tend to those dying alone. >> absolutely, four years ago we were looking to our governor andrew for some sort of guidance because the president

provided none. people were concerned about their jobs and financial security. parents had no direction on the education because the president was saying it is what it is. as thousands upon thousands and turned into over 1 million americans died. so i think biden needs to stay the course and be aggressive on reminding americans about the failures of leadership under trump and promising what he will do if he gets a second term. the first was a smash and grab, now he knows not to employ decent republicans, he will hire the worst of the worst to help him with his great and the rnc should be nervous. they will not be running ads like this because the money will go toward trump in his pockets which he has done every

time he has gotten a chance to make the money. >> to keep the conversation going about money, let's talk about the fundraising numbers. the biden campaign has more than doubled the cash on hand from last month than trump does. what does that tell you? folks keep focusing on the polls but when i see fundraising numbers like this for biden, that to me is a much more in decatur of support. >> the overwhelming number of those are small donors, they are excited and giving money. trump has not only less money but fewer donors. so whatever enthusiasm he has is located in the narrow base

he has that he continually feeds red meat to but he is alienating the rest of the country. as we know because i rant about it in the paper the polls are misleading at this stage and if you want to play that game there are a bunch of them now that biden is either tied or narrowly ahead. what is evident here is the double of enthusiasm that the president and vice president are getting is higher. you notice trump comes out maybe once a week or every other week. the vice president and president are out there multiple times a week. harris has been on campus is getting stellar reviews at hp use and other colleges. when you look at the action monetarily and when they show up that is telling. >> we would be remiss if we did not mark today is the 14th anniversary of the signing of the affordable care act and in

honor of the occasion the biden campaign released this new advertisement. >> we are determined as ever to defend and strengthen the affordable care act. i know we can do it and it matters when you have the help of your friends. >> the fate of the effort will care act is on the ballot this year. >> i could not be prouder of the affordable care act, it is why we do the work. that is why he made it a priority to strengthen and build on it and because he has more americans are covered than under any other president and we have a chance to do more but that only happens if we send joe and harris back to the white house. >> talk about the all-star team, how important is it for the president to drive home the message that the aca is under threat if trump takes office.

>> we know president biden is trying to convince voters to not stay home, that is part of the trump strategy, he needs to not only talk about his accomplishments and what he plans to do but make sure he activates and motivates people hearing the trump rhetoric, trump has come with no new ideas, selling whiteness to supporters and he knows the economy is better, he knows biden's policies are better for all americans and we know we have seen the republican party is the party of taking away rights, freedoms and actual policies that have helped americans lift up all votes. so the importance of the aca cannot be understated. >> the campaign is a campaign of abstraction. thank you both very much for coming back to the saturday show. coming up, a showdown over

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tonight, texas awaits a appeals court decision that could have a seismic impact on how it handles border security. a law known as senate bill 4 will allow local law enforcement to arrest and process migrants they believe are undocumented and give state judges the authority to deport. biden argues the law is unconstitutional and that odds with federal law.

on tuesday hours after the supreme court allowed it to go into effect a federal appeals court temporarily blocked it as the three-judge panel considers the case. order tensions are still running high, we saw this chaotic scene on the border on thursday when hundreds of migrants forced through razor wire fence only to be stopped by national guard troops in another larger barrier. this kind of mass confrontation is rare but he added to the debate over how to address immigration concerns. as we await the appeals court decision, republican-led states like georgia and iowa are pushing similar immigration enforcement bills. join me now is political analyst maria emma president and founder of for to know media and author of once i was you. will come back to the saturday

show. we already see some states trying to follow texas footsteps but what are the broader applications if the appeals court upheld sb 4? >> texas would be in for a interesting way of it, and 2020 a study found if all undocumented immigrants were deported from the state, the economy would be hit by a $70 billion loss. so bring it on. obviously this governor has no idea in terms of future planning, data or demographics, we also know in the state of texas, crime has decreased so again this law is based on a lot of lies about immigrants and refugees.

by the way that video was disturbing but normal americans rush on black friday to shop. these are people that are desperate. we do not understand the desperation. human beings that have no concept of the political realm, they just have to survive in that kind of chaos is created by a in net border patrol and customs enforcement, they know what is happening. you and i could figure out how to understand patterns of movements of people, this is the kind of chaos you create from humans that pose no threat to the country. >> to bring the conversation back to what texas is doing, what are the implications of state officials being able to arrest anybody anywhere in the

state simply because they suspect they are undocumented? >> you have been around long enough that we remember when racial profiling became a thing in the country, this cannot go on, this must stop, this law is the epitome of racial profiling. there is no way to know if a person is undocumented or not. what we have to be concerned with is a increasing police state. in the state of texas and other places. again, you and i could be undocumented. i have students in my ivy league college that are undocumented and you would never suspect. this law is saying we can tell the police what kinds of people we think they should be stopping because we think they do not have papers, it will backfire

and ultimately it is a loss for the state. whether or not this will even go through, we have been here before and it goes nowhere. there is no way you can show these laws ever lead to anything positive in terms of economics. >> unfortunately we will be talking about this for a long time which will give me a opportunity to have you back on the show with more time to talk about this. thank you very much as always for coming to the saturday show and that would do it for me today. be sure to tune in tomorrow to the sunday show when the ranking member of the house foreign affairs committee joins us to explain why trump's desperate need for cash makes him a national security risk. i will also talk to the former national security advisor and un ambassador susan about the dangers of trump's threats to

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